
From a philosophical point of view the huge body of work written about Confucian thinking by second and third generation Confucian philosophers is probably far more important for many reasons
The History of the Philosophy of Moral Action in Ancient China
People often say that the great Eastern Texts; by which they generally mean, the Analects of Confucius, The Tao Te Ching and Buddhist texts, are not really philosophy but something else such as religion or mysticism.
However while the Analects and the Tao Te Ching are the two most translated Ancient Chinese texts they are probably not the most philosophically rigorous works in these genres and to really appreciate the philosophical discussion that has gone on in China over the last 2,500 years it is necessary to read some of the disciples of these great Chinese thinkers as well.
Lack of Quality Translations a Problem for Western Readers
And therein lies the problem. I believe that our lack of appreciation of Ancient Chinese philosophy is due to Western ignorance of most of the works that have been written rather than to any failing in the philosophical works themselves.
And that ignorance is mainly due to the scarcity of translations of the texts until quite recently (the last 200 years). However there is still a long way to go and there are still many more great texts that will be translated in the future but are not available to those of us who cannot read Ancient or modern Chinese today.
But one translation does not open a door to greater understanding. The lack of good translations of the more important works of a plethora of later Confucian philosophers such as Mencius, Xun Zi, and the Taoist Chuang Tzu and others has been a giant hurdle for Western philosophers that has hindered their understanding of the value of these works.
Translating Ancient Chinese to modern Chinese is hard enough but translating it into English or French or German is a 100 times more difficult and most translations get some of the texts or the concepts they are translating wrong.
In this article I want to concentrate on Confucian Thinking but because that is also a huge topic, I will look at just one of the philosophical issues followers of Confucius have debated over the centuries. In doing so I hope to establish that the ancient Chinese philosophers were as rigorous as any in Western Philosophy.
The area I want to discuss is
How Confucian's view Moral Action and Human Nature .
Basically:
- What do Confucians think about Moral Action
- Is moral action possible in Confucian Philosophy or put another way
- Is it possible for a person to Act Morally?
Now I doubt that there are many people who have not heard of or read the “Sayings of Confucius” known as the Analects. In fact that text has probably been read by more people than the bible. But in real life Confucius favoured a style of teaching later made famous by the ancient Greek philosophers like Socrates, where he would take his students into the garden and just discuss issues or answer questions. He actually wrote very little down.
In fact the Analects was not written by Confucius. It was compiled long after his death from notes made by his students and from texts written by them and others.
From a philosophical point of view the huge body of work written about Confucian thinking by second and third generation Confucian philosophers is probably far more important for many reasons, not the least of which is they tend to be more philosophically rigorous, let's face it, they had more time to digest and think about it and of course they had vigorous debates over it which was a luxury denied to Confucius..
Moral Action Becomes an Issue about 200 BC
Confucian thinking about Moral Action really got going about 200 BC (Confucius was born in 552 BC and he died in 479 BC). The thing that prompted this line of inquiry was the terrible times China experienced during the Warring States period which was a time of extreme brutality and this got the philosophers thinking about questions of Human Nature and the relationship between the mind and our desires. The issues they discussed included such as topics as:
- What is wrong with human nature
- How can we train people, teach people or revise Human Nature
- What is the relationship of the mind to desire
- How can we control our desire
- Is desire the cause of everything evil
The disciple of Confucius most favoured by the Chinese was a chap called Mencius and in later dynasties most people just studied him because he commented on the Analects and on Confucius; he was the prophet disciple that clarified everything.
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Part one of a three part article submitted by Ric Vatner who has been a keen student of Ancient Chinese Philosophy for over 20 years.
Ric's father who was Russian grew up in China before World War ll and imparted his knowlege of the culture and philosophy of the Chinese people to Ric through the stories he told him as a child. In later life they often discussed or more correctly, debated philosophical issues with Ric advocating the Western views he learned at school or church and his father balancing that by outlining the Chinese philosophy.
Ric says “I found debating my father quite frustrating as he had a good understanding of both the Christian and Jewish religions as well as Eastern Philosophy and he was a great Chess and Bridge player so just as I thought I was about to score the winning point he would trump me with another approach. I really enjoyed those discussions and I slowly learned not to be so narrow minded when thinking about issues.”
像你这里所说的资源将是非常有用的我! 我会在博客张贴在我的网站链接到这个页面。 我相信我的网站的访问者会发现非常有用的。
美梦成真。 我爱博客。 大家表达自己的感受,以正确的方式,因为他们是你的感觉,你的博客上的焦点,它是伟大的。
良好的信息,保持工作的人。 我喜欢你的网站。 干杯〜〜〜〜
直到正义是盲目的色彩,直到教育是不知道的种族,直到机会是男性的皮肤颜色无动于衷,解放将是一个宣言,但不是事实。
我偶然看到这篇文章,只想说,这是一个伟大的读。 ,我将通过向朋友和家人的联系。 PS梦幻般的网站youv'e做了出色的工作创造一个主题,如这些信息的网站! 我目前的工作,这个网络组织http://www.mystic.edx.co未来的精神意识。 您的网站有我的工作领域中的一些文章写得非常好。 我已经通过这篇文章上的一些亲密同事,谁应该找到值得一读。
爱的博客在这里。 漂亮的颜色。 我一定住这一个调整。 希望看到更多。
政府由一伙男子酷似你和我。 他们与另一个,没有政府业务的特殊人才,他们只有一个获取和任职的人才。
感谢队友。 真棒的网站,你竟能在这里。 你有一些额外的链接,直接有更多这样的东西,我们呢?
责任编辑:
退房http://www.acfa.org.au和我的其他博客http://www.ricvatner.com.au的,也有你看到的文章在本博客的其他部分?
我一直在浏览即暂时此主题相关的一些有用的信息。 我现在在雅虎寻求无意中发现这个博客帖子。 看着这个审查,所以,我欣慰地指出,我有一个美好的感觉,我发现正是我需要的。 我会确保不要忘了这个博客,并期待一个恒定的基础上。
当我打开你的RSS feed,它似乎是一吨垃圾,是读者对我的交易?
责任编辑:
是的,我们有几天的一个问题,但它现在是固定的。 我真的很抱歉给您带来不便。 指出了我的感谢。
我一定要正视这个问题。 谢谢!
刚发现这个博客,为投寄感谢。 我会让你最爱上市。
我同意,张贴tyvm ......
我同意,TY分享这个......
TY一吨张贴,这是非常有帮助,并帮助我极大
思想伟大的主题,我会发表评论说,你创建它自己吗? 看起来真棒!
感谢您让我们更新。 我真的喜欢它,并找到真正有用的信息。
你怎么来了本文的概念呢? 我一直以为我写文章的想法或概念有困难。 一些directionswould是值得欢迎的。
责任编辑:
进入写作的习惯,最好的办法是找到有趣的文章,这可能是你真的如您同意,不同意的职位。 然后写在博客上说,为什么你认为他们是对还是错。 你迟早会开始有自己独到的见解,但在任何情况下,这不要紧,因为你看到的其他物品作出深思熟虑的意见是一样有效和重要原职的作家。 祝你好运。
我想感谢你在发表这篇文章的你已经作出的努力。 我会为你在今后的工作以及。 您想象力的写作能力,其实已经启发了我现在开始自己的博客。 真正的博客是散发它的翅膀迅速。 你写是罚款的代表。
非常高兴地阅读帖子! 将翘首等待第二优秀的一部分。
已经一段时间寻找最体面的家,现在多数民众赞成这个伟大的文章。
早上好,在博客上的伟大的工作,它看起来美妙。 我要书签,并确保每周访问
由于一段时间只是一个适当的阅读jibing估计这种利基。 在冰求我现在发现这个网站。 看看这个信息,所以我很高兴向大家转达我有一个很好的印象,我到任何我已经准备好为动摇。 我会确保不要忘记这个互联网网站,并投入它的外观系统。
是啊,我敢肯定,他们有一个选择。
我感动的方式来对待这个话题。 这不是我经常遇到的一个网站,像你这样的扣人心弦的文章。 我将书签饲料熬夜,最新传入updates.Just打击,和不继续了合理的工作。
很高兴成为这个可怕的网站上的特邀之一:D
我真的很喜欢读你的文章。 你明明知道你正在谈论! 浏览过您的网站是那么容易,我书签我的最爱。 。 。 。 。
不错的博客。 谢谢! 我已经把我的RSS阅读器,您的网站!
相反,一些概念,以及探讨的文章仍然取像我这样的评论。 你个人的事表明清楚地了解和阅读您的网站后,我的意见是现在总。 务必保持了良好的工作,我会为您的RSS订阅滋养,以被任何新兴张贴的通知。
本文给出的光中,我们可以观察到的现实。 这是非常好的一个深入的信息提供。 感谢这个好文章。
真棒
可以想见我读了两遍。 虽然我没有在这个问题上通用的,我符合你的决定,因为他们是有意义的。 感谢和好运给你。
非常翔实的职位。 寻找更多像这样的东西
令人惊讶的是,你的作品的主题非常。 您的清晰度,让我渴望知道得多。 只是让你知道,我会立即抓住您的滋养,但是一起跟上您的网上博客。 响一声感谢,只是我一点办法要求什么了一个奇妙的资源的杰作。 就我所能为后续的职位需求。
这是本周的最佳文章。:)